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A. Amos Love said in March 19th, 2010 at 12:29 pm

Amen – “We should be very cautious in putting our lot in with churches and denominations that have pushed beyond the bounds of orthodoxy.”

Unity. Hmmm?

Sometimes good and some times, er, not so good?

Just wondering…

What if God is the author of our disagreements and separations?
“And all things are of God…” 2 Cor 5:18, Rom 11:36, Col 1:16-17, etc.
Are we working for “Unity?” And NOW working against God?

Didn’t God confuse man’s language once before?
Aren’t those things that happened to others,
written for us to learn from?

Now all these things happened unto them for examples:
and they are written for our admonition,
upon whom the ends of the world are come.
1 Cor 10:11

For whatsoever things were written aforetime
were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures have hope.
Rom 15:4

Didn’t God intervene when “man was in unity”
with their own devices, their own plans,
trying to build something themselves,
to reach heaven and “make a name for themselves?”

Could that be the ekklesia’s problem today also?
Doing their own thing – NOT God’s thing?

**Man trying to build something?
(Movements? Denominations? Church Planting?)
**And make a name for themselves?
(“Titles” on buildings, schools, websites, books, diplomas, etc.)
**Being in unity they could accomplish anything?

wikipedia lists many, Nay – 1,000’s, of Denominations.

…let us build us a city and a tower,
whose top may reach unto heaven;
and let us make us a name…
Gen 11:4

Gen 11:6-8
And the LORD said, Behold,
the people is one, (unity?)(this doesn’t sound good?)
and they have all one language; (unity-sound alike?)
and this they begin to do: (work together?)
and now nothing will be restrained from them,
(we can do anything, working together?)
which they have imagined to do.
(“the imagination of man’s heart is evil.”)
( Gen 6:5, Gen 8:21, Jer 3:17, Jer 11:8.)
Go to, let us go down,
and there **confound their language,** that they may
**not understand one another’s speech…**
(Hmmm? Sound familiar?)
(Baptist, Pentecostal, Reformed, Calvinist, Egalitarian, Mercy Lord… )

God often gives us what we ask for, and, “A Little Bit Extra.”

Want some “Meat” in the wilderness?
God also sends “leanness to the soul.” Psalm 106:15. Oy Vey!

Want some “Kings” to rule over us?
How did that work out? 1 Sam 8:11-19 Ouch!

“Traditions of men” nullify the word of God.
Mark 7:13

Hmmm? Just wondering…
What if God is the author of our disagreements and separations?

Then what…???

Are we working for Unity? And NOW – working against God?

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Bob Hayton said in March 19th, 2010 at 12:41 pm

Helpful review, Shaun. I haven’t finished the book yet due to the unplanned hospital visits this week.

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Shaun Tabatt said in March 19th, 2010 at 12:53 pm

A. Amos Love,

Wow! I think this is the longest comment in the history of the site. 😉 You ask, “What if God is the author of our disagreements and separations?” My question back is, what end or purpose would this serve? I think it’s a far reach to equate Armstrong’s vision of missional-ecumenism to the Tower of Babel. Armstrong is making a case that “the one church of Jesus Christ, ministering out of its spiritual unity in Christ and rooted in core orthodoxy, can best serve Christ’s mission.” (John H. Armstrong, Your Church is too Small: Why Unity in Christ’s Mission is Vital to the Future of the Church (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 2010), 18.) While I am cautious, I am at the same time very excited about the potential of this book and found it to be challenging in a good way.

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Shaun Tabatt said in March 19th, 2010 at 12:54 pm


Thanks for the kind words. I’m glad everything turned out OK from the hospital visit. I’ll be looking forward to your review in the near future.

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A. Amos Love said in March 19th, 2010 at 3:35 pm


Sorry for the longwindedness…

I just believe, “the Body of Christ” is in “Unity.” It’s “His Body.”

I don’t believe there is disunity in…

Jesus – He is the head of the Body,
(the ekklesia, the called out one’s,) The Church.
Col 1:18

There is “ONE” fold, “ONE” shepherd, “ONE” voice… }}}} Jesus {{{{
John 10:16

And when we’re in Christ “we” are “ONE.”
No division or separation.

There is neither Jew nor Greek,
there is neither bond nor free,
there is neither male nor female:
for ye are all “ONE” in Christ Jesus.
Gal 3:28

Neither Baptist nor Assemblies of God.
Neither Evangelical nor Pentecostal.
Neither Leaders nor Followers.
Neither Clergy nor Laity.
All “ONE” in Christ Jesus.

Now, “The Church of Man,”
“The Church of Baptist,”
“The Church of England.” Choose one…

That’s a different story. Oy Vey! 😉

That’s what you see with your eyes.
But, the kingdom of God comes NOT with observation. It is within.
Luke 17:20-21.

“The Church of Man,”
That’s the thousands of denominations started by man and seen by others.
“Christian Leaders” who had a better idea.

And I believe there is a possibility that “God” has…

“ **confounded their language,** that they may
**not understand one another’s speech…**
Gen 11:4-8

Because those in “The Religious System”
are trying to make a name for themselves. :-(…

Be blessed in your search for truth… Jesus

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Shaun Tabatt said in March 21st, 2010 at 4:36 pm

A. Amos Love,

Thanks for clarifying your view. Unfortunately, you are not able to subscribe to comments via e-mail. However, there is a comments RSS feed available here: LINK